Kliger: During your relationship with Rabbi Ovadia, you had ups and downs, but the relationship always remained one of love and affection?
Peres: Yes, that's right.
Lipkin: There was a certain political change in him, he had a very organized political deputy who went eye to eye with your deputy.
Persia: When he saw that in matters of religion I don't play games, and I don't tell him, "Give me and I'll give you," there's no such thing. I didn't ask for any permutations, I didn't ask for any crumbs, ever.
Lipkin: But his political sub-sector has undergone a certain transformation.
Persia: Rabbi Schach was also a 'dove' at first, I didn't change, he changed. And they told me, there was just a big conference with me in New York, a thousand people, and one of them came and told me, one of the rabbis, brought a letter that Rabbi Schach wrote twenty-five years ago, he wrote to him personally. He wrote to him like this -: "Mr. Peres is expected to live a long life, and it is expected that the entire audience will love him because of the deed he did (-delaying the conscription of yeshiva students) and they told me to bring me the letter.".