Eli Bitan: Three murdered, another difficult morning. A shooting attack at the Allenby Crossing, a Jordanian driver hid a weapon in a truck, broke in, crossed the Jordanian side of the checkpoint and opened fire on Israelis who were declared dead. And this joins some kind of wave of events in general in Judea and Samaria, which we have seen in recent months and not only. What looks like some kind of, earlier even a leper doctor defined it as a third intifada that is beginning: an uprising, violence. How do you see these things?
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Anat Saragosti: I don't think it's possible to make a distinction between Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, the Allenby Crossing. We're in the same kind of security chaos in all these arenas - and it all stems from the same place. We're here in a conflict, which is now being exposed in a very, very wild way.
We need to think, I, in my opinion, and I've been saying this for many years, we need to think about it comprehensively. And I don't think there are military solutions to this. True, there must be some specific military solution: increase intelligence, increase the promise, increase and increase and increase and eliminate, etc., etc. But in the end, in the end, in the end if we really want some kind of sane and normal life, like in a civilized country, we need to find a comprehensive solution, which is not a military solution. It may rely on the military, it is a result of military successes of this and that, but it is not a military solution, there is no military solution!
And we, throughout all the years of our lives and existence here as a country, have been in these cycles. And if someone thinks that this is our fate and that we have to continue living by our sword, then this is fate, this is what it is. I, how shall I put it? I dare to think that it is possible otherwise, and I dare to think that a solution can be found for this, certainly with international support from the Abraham Accords countries, the US, Europe, etc., and to strengthen this direction and create some kind of hope.
I'm looking for hope, I admit that I'm having a hard time finding hope these months. I don't know where to find this hope, I don't know where to draw the... what energies I can lean on to create this hope, and I'm not willing to live on my sword, I think it's possible otherwise. That's it, that's my opinion.
Sherry Roth: So I don't think it was revealed today that we have a third intifada, because it was revealed a long time ago. And I think that with all the difficulty of October 7th, we still had some kind of great miracle in that not all 7, 8, 9, 10, who's counting, arenas that are against us, broke out at once. Because if that had happened, if Hezbollah had broken out from the north and Hamas from the south, and thousands of missiles had been fired from Iraq, Iran, north, south, Houthis, everything, God knows where we would have ended up. So I think we had some kind of miracle, with all the difficulty.
Amidst all this concealment, there was some kind of light in that only, only... It's hard to say 'only' about the results, but still, only from the south. And we somehow managed to prepare for the missiles from Hezbollah, and the United States, which managed to, and the world, managed to bring the armaments here to withstand the Iranian missiles, and it was in stages, and that was still our miracle. And I would be very happy, and also very much want to, and for, I don't come from the right side of the map, which says, no, not for peace. If indeed peace could prevent bloodshed, I'm for it.
Anat: I didn't say 'hello,' Shari, I didn't say hello. I said agreements.
Sari: Anat, you usually say, 'I didn't bother you, don't bother me,' so come on, let me finish my argument. I would be very happy if there was some kind of plan, Ehud Barak tried, Ehud Olmert tried, the late Yitzhak Rabin tried, they tried, they really tried. The disengagement was a kind of trial run, I didn't see that we succeeded in peace agreements.
Eli Bitan: There was no peace agreement with Gaza, except for Oslo, there was no agreement.
Anat: There is an Egyptian people.
Sari: I think as an ultra-Orthodox woman that it is our destiny that the nations will hate us. There is also an agreement with Jordan, and here we are this morning for a Jordanian attack. The terrorist will always arise, the terrorist group will always arise, and if you make peace even with Hamas, then the Islamic Jihad will arise, and if you make peace with the Islamic Jihad, another extremist group will arise.
Anat: I don't want peace with Hamas. Hamas is not a dialogue partner for me.
Sherry: I said 'even'. I went to the extreme. I'm saying, the group of terrorists will always rise up, which rose up in 1919, when there was no state at all, and that is our fate. Now, within this fate, we have to do the best we can. And in my belief, it's not the army. The army too, within the scope of the efforts we make.
This week we were in the month of Elul, and in the month of Elul I like to stop at crosswalks, and dozens, but dozens of avrechim, cross the road on their way to their kollel, a huge kollel in Kiryat Sefer, which is a place I like to stop there. And I know in advance that I'm stopping and that I'll now have a fifteen-minute wait. And I just look at them with sparkling eyes, literally, and think about my city where I live, a city that is near Arab villages, some of which are dangerous, some of which are less, it doesn't matter. And the terrorist who comes can always come from a non-dangerous village. Thank God, some kind of coexistence has been maintained that God knows how long it will last, but I think that really every day that we live here and don't have Arab mopeds coming to us from the nearby villages is a day of miracle.
And I don't really think there's a solution, in my belief, but I'm very happy for Anat who thinks there's some kind of peace agreement on the horizon that will bring us 'Peace be upon Israel' like in the song. I wish!
Eli: Well, at least the hope is shared...
Anat: The hope is shared, and I'll just say as an asterisk that I wasn't talking about peace, I was talking about a political settlement, and I'm just mentioning another point: We have an agreement with Egypt, and this agreement allows us to keep this border quiet, true, there were also cases with Egypt, you can't deny that, but overall it's a strategic asset of the highest order...
Sherry: Yes, also with Jordan.
Anat: That's right, also with Jordan. The border with Jordan is quiet, yes, sir, what can we do...
Sherry: I myself entered Jordan about 20 years ago, we crossed the border, me and another group of journalists, I went to do a Passover article for the newspaper 'Bakhila' where I worked at the time. So we did encounter very difficult interrogations, so that we barely returned home that day, but yes, somewhere there was still peace.
Anat: I don't know, I've been to Jordan several times and I didn't have any interrogations there...
Shari: No, I had interrogations there because we filmed, which we restored something from the War of Liberation. A Jordanian prison where rabbis were exiled there, then...
Anat: Okay, so it was something specific.
Sherry: That's right, I'm saying, there is peace, and I'm showing you that it didn't help with this morning's attack.
Anat: But overall, in all the decades of our diplomatic agreement with both Egypt and Jordan, these borders have been quiet. So I need to fix that too, and still, there is an agreement, and this agreement serves us.
Sherry: There is an agreement. Does it stand up to what is happening in Jenin? No. It is a fact that they have now entered Jenin. Ask soldiers who have only just entered Jenin, I know one of them...
Anat: No, I wasn't talking about Jenin, I was talking about Jordan and I was talking about Egypt. These agreements stand.
Shari: There is also a kind of agreement with the PA. If a person accidentally falls into Ramla today, there is a good chance that the Palestinian Authority will rescue him in cooperation with IDF forces.
Anat: Let's not start talking about the Palestinian Authority, it's much more complicated.
Sherry: Does this agreement apply to terrorists? No.
Anat: It's not a country. We have agreements with two countries and they stand by them.
Sherry: Great, so Hezbollah is not a state, you can make agreements with whoever you want, it won't obligate them.
Anat: Hezbollah is not a country. I'm talking about agreements with countries.
Shari: And so no agreements you make will help you, you can still wake up in the morning to another surprise of 'Oi-Vee-Vee is excited about us, maybe another intifada.' Because no matter how many agreements and papers and paperwork you make, I'm for it, I'm for peace, I'm against bloodshed and everything, I'm with you. And yet, all the paperwork you make won't stand up to the terrorist who gets up in the morning to kill.
Anat: It's a fact that it's standing, it's a fact that it's standing...
Sari: You won't prevent the attack from Hamas, Hezbollah, the Iranians...
Anat: It's a fact that it's going to happen... we have to acknowledge it. It's going to happen!
Sherry: You know what? Here, I'm with you. Make peace with Syria, so you'll wake up to a better morning without a terrorist attack?
Anat: What does Syria have to do with it now?
Sherry: So with which countries do you want to make an agreement? With whom? With Switzerland? With Bulgaria? With whom? With which countries? With Iran? Do you want to make an agreement with Iran?
Anat: Do you want to speak, or do you want to listen?
Sherry: No, I'm asking: Who do you want to make an agreement with?
Anat: No, you ask but you don't let me answer...
Sherry: Here, I'm silent. Just tell me with whom, give me a list of countries with which you will make peace.
Anat: Can I answer you or do you want to keep asking 'with whom, with whom, with whom'?
Shari: Be silent. Just give me a list of countries with which you will make peace and 'peace will come upon us and upon all Israel.'.
Anat: Well, I have nothing to say.
Sherry: I just want to ask...
Anat: No, okay, leave it...
Shari: Syria? Iraq? Iran? Take your pick. Who do you want to make a peace agreement with?
Anat: Never mind, leave it. You just want to make a speech, this isn't a conversation. I can't talk like that, sorry.
Shari: Because there is none! There is none! Anat, unfortunately, there is none. It's the little terrorists who get up in the morning and come in with a car, with a car bomb...
Anat: And we don't have terrorists, right?
Sherry: So you want to make a peace agreement with them on paper too? Would that help?
Anat: No, I'm asking if we don't have terrorists too. Only they have terrorists... who burn, and destroy, and kill...
Sherry: You say, we will make peace agreements. And I ask, what will ultimately come out of the peace agreements and this paperwork, after all, we will also give things in return, because in peace, something must be given.
Anat: Come on, let me out of this conversation...
Sherry: 'Release me from this conversation,' a sentence to Pathein...
Eli: I think the issue is sensitive, and it brings out a lot of aggression in each and every one of us, because it is the rock of our existence and the rock of our lives....Thank you both!
