Raviv Drucker: You have a new movie, 'The Haydar', which is broadcast on Hot 8, Crazy movie, I saw him documenting sadistic abuse. In Haredi children, there is no other word - Sticks, whips, belts - which lasts for decades, In tens of thousands of children, With the knowledge of the parents, with the knowledge of the doctors... How long did it last, first of all, Manny, To the best of your knowledge, to this day?
Manny Philip: There is no exact data on this, So I can't say numbers, But it happens a lot, a lot.
Raviv: Because you're showing a hidden camera there from 2018, That children say, 'Yes, that teacher who beat you, When you were here, He's still here beating us.
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Manny: That's right, it also came out in the last few days, Investigation by the 'Guardians', who comes to the same conclusion, That things are still happening, Again, there is change, there is a lot of progress on this matter, But it still happens a lot, unfortunately.
Raviv: Something that killed me during the film, Why didn't you publish names?. of teachers, administrators... Do you have the names? Because when you hear these people, testify to what happened to them, You want to scream, Why didn't you publish names, Manny?
Manny: Because what I understood more and more, Throughout the work on the film, That it's not about a few rotten apples, so to speak. This is a system, And if I publish names, then fine, YiGo ahead, put some people in jail, And then what? Nothing will change from this, As long as the change is not substantial or systemic, Focusing on a few people, You won't do anything.
Raviv: Write it down in front of you, I don't know if you care, I don't get this explanation... You are making a crazy conversation, That your brother fulfills, With the director of the educational institution, His son studies there. After his son gets beaten! And he's trying to make a deal with the manager, Only his son won't get beaten, That all the others continue what they want, And listen to what the manager says, Here is a short excerpt, From the movie 'The Haydar', Hot 8.
Manny: That's my son, by the way.
droplet: Oh, sorry, correct me now, but Let's hear the part.
The passage:
""forgiveness. I have a question."
""yes""
""Suppose I come and say 'Listen, let's make a deal, My child, Until the room is finished, Doesn't get beaten, No matter what, no matter what happens to him, beatings He doesn't accept. No hit, no touch...
""What's the problem?""
""For me it's in my soul, I beg you. Leave, On this subject, "My child, no beatings.".
""I'll tell you. It's very, very hard for Rabbi, This stresses the Rabbi, So I say, as a "Dad, I don't know if you're doing well.".
""this "Possible, in principle.".
Raviv: Is this your son, Manny? Excuse me, I don't understand, is this your son?
Manny: Yes
Raviv: So tell me about it.
Manny: I remember that, That was many years ago, He came home, said he had been beaten badly, I told him, 'Go to sleep,', I'll call to speak to your Rabbi, And I had a long conversation with the Rabbi, One of the things he said This is: ''Why are you sending him to Haider? Send him to another dealer, If you don't want him to get beaten. I couldn't, It wasn't easy to do that at all, Because I was after the divorce, but, After that I called the management, to the manager, and I had this conversation, And this is a conversation we're actually having. In such a halakhic discussion, Yes and no. I'm back to this conversation now, When I was working on the film, After nearly 30 years, but...
Raviv: So let's really talk for a second about ideology, We won't have much time to develop this, But you talk about it in the movie, That we really must break the children's independence, The Vilna Gaon says this, That beatings are a very important thing, It's not some byproduct of education, This is something at the core of education.
Manny: Right. right. The Vilna Gaon, Rabbi Dessler, And many, many others, I say this explicitly, '"You have to do something for a broken and depressed heart.", These are the words of Rabbi Dessler, The Vilna Gaon talks about the need to beat children, And even if they cry, don't pay attention to their cries, and continue elsewhere. yes. It's part of the method.
Raviv: Minnie Phillip, I hope this helps stop this horrific phenomenon, It's not a phenomenon, it's a method, phenomenon is a small word for it. Thank you very much.
Manny: I would like, if possible, to say one word. Many people ask me what change the film can make, I think one of the things the film can do is, To that Haredi public that opposes beatings, And in the ghouls who are not beaten, Open the gates to children and parents who decide That they don't want their child to be beaten, And they are not strong in the community who can stand and fight, Let them have a place. Because today, if a parent opposes spanking, And he simply has nowhere to send the child, He is stuck. I think we need to think about it in this sense, Even within Haredi society.
Raviv Mani, thank you very much. Both about this film and this interview. QRee, talk to me.
Sherry Roth: The producer asked me before the show if I had watched this movie, I'll tell you the truth, I can't watch this. I just can't. I'm letting you know that if I knew That they did such a thing to my child or my grandson, I would come here... and scream!
Raviv: And they didn't? Are you sure?
Sherry: I, not only am I sure, I, Calls upon calls upon calls. I don't know what he's saying, They said to beat the Gaon from Vilna...I have never laid a hand on my child in my life! I don't know such a method at all. For me, the education system was beautiful, Explaining to children, telling them stories...I don't know! I'm sure it's not overwhelming!
Jackie Levy: Sherry, every time there was a scolding in my high school yeshiva He went into the reserves and they brought us an ultra-Orthodox replacement, He tried to hit. How did it end?...We'll talk about that later...
sherry: So why were you silent??? So why were you silent, Jackie? As a mother, I'm letting you know that if I had known...
Raviv: But Sherry, this is such a widespread phenomenon, which is described in dozens of testimonies, From dozens of institutions. With rulers, with belts, So saying it doesn't exist is the strangest thing...
Sherry: I know stories like that. ANot me, in my family, If I had known about such a thing...
Raviv: But you are a member of the Haredi community, Don't you know it? Haven't you heard anything about it?
Sherry: Not in my family. My husband said that once, In their village, there was one, But am I in the family? No. And I talk to my kids a lot, And I know what's going on with them, They do tell me everything...I, It's hard for me to hear these stories. AI don't want to believe that it's really marginal.
Uri Misgav: In my conversation with a Haredi, He repeated the question and told me, 'I'm angry at you secularists. I asked him, 'About us too?' Why are we here?'' Answer: ''Because you didn't protect us. You did not protect us from the terrible violence. In the education system.
Raviv: And after that they ask, Why are they afraid to ask the question?.
Sherry: I'm telling you, if I hear about a teacher who was beaten, I'll make a headline with his explicit name! Here, I'm letting you know.
Raviv: So watch the movie. Invest the hour and a half.
Sherry: I'll see, but it's very difficult for me.
