{"id":536547,"date":"2019-09-12T16:18:10","date_gmt":"2019-09-12T13:18:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ch10.co.il\/?p=536547"},"modified":"2025-08-06T12:46:58","modified_gmt":"2025-08-06T09:46:58","slug":"%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%91%d7%a8%d7%9e%d7%9f-%d7%94%d7%a1%d7%99%d7%a4%d7%95%d7%a8-%d7%a2%d7%9d-%d7%93%d7%a8%d7%a2%d7%99-%d7%a0%d7%92%d7%9e%d7%a8-%d7%92%d7%9d-%d7%91%d7%a8%d7%9e%d7%94-%d7%90%d7%99%d7%a9","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ch10.co.il\/en\/news\/536547\/","title":{"rendered":"Lieberman declares that &#039;the story with Deri is over,&#039; and what he really thinks about Gantz"},"content":{"rendered":"\u05d1\u05e4\u05d5\u05d3\u05e7\u05d0\u05e1\u05d8 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d7\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05dc 103FM '\u05e1\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05e7\u05d5\u05dc\u05d5\u05ea', \u05d4\u05e1\u05d5\u05e7\u05e8 \u05d0\u05ea \u05d4\u05e7\u05d5\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9 \u05d1\u05d1\u05d7\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea 2019, \u05e9\u05d5\u05d7\u05d7\u05d4 \u05d4\u05db\u05ea\u05d1\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05d3\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05ea \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e2\u05e8\u05d9\u05d1, \u05d0\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05e1\u05e7\u05d9, \u05e2\u05dd \u05d4\u05d3\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05de\u05e8\u05ea\u05e7\u05ea \u05d1\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05d1\u05d1\u05d7\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05d0\u05dc\u05d4, \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e8\u05e7 \u05d1\u05e7\u05e8\u05d1 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9: \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d9\u05d1\u05e8\u05de\u05df.\r\n\r\n\u05dc\u05d9\u05d1\u05e8\u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05e9\u05d9\u05d1 \u05dc\u05e9\u05d0\u05dc\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05d0\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea, \u05d5\u05d4\u05e1\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8 \u05de\u05d3\u05d5\u05e2 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05e9\u05d5\u05d0\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d0\u05d7\u05d3\u05d5\u05ea \u05e2\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d5\u05db\u05d7\u05d5\u05dc \u05dc\u05d1\u05df \u05d2\u05dd \u05d0\u05dd \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d8\u05d5\u05d7 \u05e9\u05d2\u05e0\u05e5 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05de\u05de\u05e9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1; \u05de\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d7\u05d5\u05e9\u05d1 \u05e2\u05dc \u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8\u05ea \u05e0\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d7\u05e8\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd - \u05d5\u05d2\u05dd \u05d4\u05e9\u05d9\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d9\u05d6\u05d4 \u05d7\u05ea\u05d5\u05dc \u05e9\u05d7\u05d5\u05e8 \u05e2\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05e8\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05e2\u05d9.\r\n\r\n<strong>In Likud, they claim that you are the leftist on duty, and you claim that you are right-wing but want to form a government with Benny Gantz, who cannot be exactly defined as right-wing.<\/strong>\r\n\r\n\"&quot;The real decision in the upcoming elections is not between Netanyahu and Gantz, but between Yisrael Beiteinu and the Israel of Smotrich, Litzman, Rafi Peretz and Deri. That is the real decision. I don&#039;t understand the halakhic coalition that Netanyahu is trying to form. Shas abstained from voting even on a critical issue like the Oslo Accords. Netanyahu voted in favor of expelling Jews from Gush Katif. He is the one who torpedoed the death penalty law for terrorists, even though he signed a coalition agreement with me on the issue. He is the one who is preventing the evacuation of an illegal Palestinian settlement in Khan al-Ahmar.&quot;.\r\n\r\n<strong>But it is impossible to deny the fact that the Likud is the right-wing camp.<\/strong>\r\n\r\n\"&quot;It&#039;s not the right-wing camp. It&#039;s a populist camp. It&#039;s all stories. The only real right is Yisrael Beiteinu. We continue the classic line. All the founders of the Zionist movement traveled on Shabbat. Trumpeldor also ate kosher from time to time and is still no less a Jew than Deri and Gafni. We don&#039;t care who the prime minister will be, but what kind of government will be formed and whether it is a broad national government that will deal with all the madness. I knew Zevulun Hamer. A man I greatly respected and we had an excellent working relationship. What is his connection to Smotrich? He is from the North Pole and he is from the South Pole. This is not just a religious group, but a delusional messianic group that is trying to dictate an agenda for an entire country.&quot;.\r\n\r\n<strong>How do you see the next government dealing with the Iranian nuclear issue when the main issue on which you are forming it is religion and state?<\/strong>\r\n\r\n\"&quot;The component is to return to being a normal country. &#039;To Make Israel Normal Again&#039;. I know the system well and have been in many positions. The only one with experience similar to mine is Benjamin Netanyahu. In order to deal with the Iranian nuclear program, it is not enough to just pray - you also have to work. The coalition Netanyahu is putting together is a halakhic coalition. Gafni was interviewed by &#039;Makor Rishon&#039; and said as chairman of the Finance Committee that he wants to raise taxes after the elections because his voters do not pay income tax at all. He is not willing to cut the yeshiva budget but wants to raise taxes on all working people. We will avoid that.&quot;.\r\n\r\n<strong>Let&#039;s assume a government is formed with Likud, Blue and White, and Yisrael Beiteinu. How will you deal with the Palestinian and Iranian issues? What will be the government&#039;s policy?<\/strong>\r\n\r\n\"&quot;The reality is that Netanyahu has surrendered to terrorism. It&#039;s because of the ultra-Orthodox partners who don&#039;t care about security or foreign policy, that&#039;s why they are so convenient for Netanyahu. Last May, 700 rockets were launched into the Gaza Strip. There is a bankruptcy of our entire security concept regarding the fight against terrorism, as well as a surrender to the ultra-Orthodox. And Netanyahu? He is only interested in the media.&quot;.\r\n\r\n<strong>You&#039;ve known Netanyahu for more than 30 years. Do you think there&#039;s a chance he&#039;ll turn to you to form a coalition?<\/strong>\r\n\r\n\"&quot;Netanyahu cannot accept an approach different from his own. Anyone who is perceived as such immediately becomes a leftist. I expect that he will not be able to form a halakhic government. My job is to prevent this. I am not against the ultra-Orthodox or against the religious or Judaism. We are not against a Jewish state - we are against a halakhic state.&quot;.\r\n\r\n<strong>It was reported in the media that you are meeting with senior Likud officials. What are you hearing from them?<\/strong>\r\n\r\n\"&quot;I&#039;ll give you a scoop. Among the members of the Likud center, I have many more friends than Netanyahu. I don&#039;t contact them, but they all call and meet with me. If after a round of meetings with the president, Netanyahu doesn&#039;t have 61 recommenders - the next day they will replace him. I say this knowingly. No one will dissolve the Knesset for the third time. No one will support this. There is no chance that we will enter into any coalition with Smotrich, Rafi Peretz, Deri or Gafni.&quot;.\r\n\r\n<strong>What do you think about Gantz&#039;s statement that he aspires to establish a secular liberal government?<\/strong>\r\n\r\n\"&quot;I&#039;m glad he accepts Yisrael Beiteinu&#039;s position and embraces our agenda. But it depends on which ear you ask him this question. After all, at the beginning he courted the Haredi and said he was handing them a blank slate to fill. The two factors that want to weaken us are the Haredi and Blue and White. It&#039;s clear that Gantz is coordinating with Gafni and Litzman. I wonder what will happen after the elections. As far as I&#039;m concerned, there&#039;s one option - I would be happy if Gantz and Netanyahu understood that in terms of the challenges we face, there is no other option than a broad liberal national unity government.&quot;.\r\n\r\n<strong>Are the religious and ultra-Orthodox people talking to you after the campaign against them?<\/strong>\r\n\r\n\"&quot;I live in a mixed family, my wife is religious, my children attend religious school, we have kiddush on Fridays and on Saturdays I go to play tennis. All of this works out great and it has never been a problem. My daughter is religious and did full military service. This is the society I want to build, not only in Nokmid but throughout Israel. There are people who really surprised me with their attitude. The story with Deri is over, also on a personal level. He crossed some red lines that, regardless of politics, cannot be forgiven. There are no more relationships with him and there never will be.&quot;.\r\n\r\n<strong>On a personal level, will Benny Gantz be a good prime minister?<\/strong>\r\n\r\n\"\u05d0\u05dd \u05d1\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d2\u05e0\u05e5 \u05e6\u05d1\u05e8 \u05de\u05e1\u05e4\u05d9\u05e7 \u05d5\u05ea\u05e7 \u05d1\u05e4\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05d8\u05d9\u05e7\u05d4 \u05db\u05d3\u05d9 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05de\u05de\u05e9\u05dc\u05d4? \u05d0\u05e0\u05d9 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d8\u05d5\u05d7. \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d4\u05e8\u05de\u05d8\u05db\"\u05dc \u05e9\u05e4\u05d9\u05e7\u05d3 \u05d1\u05e6\u05d5\u05e7 \u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05df \u05d5\u05d6\u05d4 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05db\u05e9\u05dc\u05d5\u05df \u05de\u05d4\u05d3\u05d4\u05d3. \u05d0\u05d2\u05d1, \u05de\u05d9 \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea\u05d5 \u05dc\u05ea\u05e4\u05e7\u05d9\u05d3 \u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05e0\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5 \u05e9\u05e0\u05ea\u05df \u05dc\u05d5 \u05e9\u05d1\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e1\u05d5\u05e3. \u05d0\u05e0\u05d7\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e0\u05e4\u05e2\u05dc \u05d1\u05d4\u05ea\u05d0\u05dd \u05dc\u05e0\u05e1\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea. \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05d1\u05be18 \u05dc\u05d7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9 \u05e9\u05d9\u05d9\u05e7\u05e8\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e7\u05de\u05ea \u05de\u05de\u05e9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d9\u05d1\u05e8\u05dc\u05d9\u05ea \u05dc\u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05d9\u05ea \u05e8\u05d7\u05d1\u05d4 - 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